Support people like this, vegans. Don’t deprive yourselves of food because of ethics, just seek out the farmers that truly care for their crops and herds and bees…
or if you take veganism seriously you could just not eat it at all? i wouldn’t consider not eating honey to be “depriving yourself of food”. honey is at best a flavour enhancement, one easily replaced with agave or maple syrup. if someone feels “deprived” because they can’t have honey, then they are probably overdramatic and priveleged as fuck.
bees are not domestic animals. humans don’t need honey. therefore there is no logical reason to have a bee farm or eat honey if you support animal liberation.
Of all the foods to desperately cling to, why honey?
Honey isn’t even that good, and there are some really good honey substitutes out there if you’re someone who really liked it.
Removing honey from your diet in no fucking way makes you deprived, come the fuck on. Jesus christ.
I’m alright ‘depriving’ myself of bee vomit actually.
How many times! Honey is not vegan, what part of no animal product or by-product don’t people get, and there is no such thing as ‘ethical’ meat, milk, eggs, or honey! They are all by products of murder and slavery, and hence can’t be ethical!
If someone has a good ‘ethical’ argument in favour of slavery I’d like to hear it…
As a ten year vegetarian, four year vegan, and now a “commercial vegan,” who grows food, raises animals, and keeps bees, I’m going to have to go ahead and point out that commercial agriculture is horrendously destructive to the Earth.
I respect veganism, but hate when it is uneducated or overly aggressive. Agave is not a good substitute for honey, first, because it lacks the antioxidants, and two because agave nectar has a high glycemic index, just like high fructose corn syrup. Also, honey is antimicrobial and hygroscopic.
Further, I respect ALL life, including plant life. I don’t think a plant’s life is less valuable than that of an animal.
Would anyone here object to the lifestyles led by the indigenous peoples of North America? Should the Wampanog not have eaten oysters? Should the Lakota not have eaten buffalo? Should the Tolowa not have eaten salmon?
The difference between them and us in this respect is the nature with which respect is given for life taken, and obviously, the lack of an industrial component to food production.
^ last commentary.